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The Orgasm Gap Is Real… But Don’t Blame It On The Patriarchy.

1/28/2016

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​Last week, Feministing published “Here’s What I Would Have Said To You Last Night Had You Not Cum And Then Fallen Asleep.” (It’s the kind of article you click because it has a catchy title, and then you hate yourself for it.)
 
In short, the author suggested that the very real and well-documented “orgasm gap” is not due to gender differences in anatomy or psychology… but due to “the patriarchy.”
Ever heard of a thing called patriarchy? It’s a handy, fancy name feminists (we beautiful, beautiful people) have invented for systems of power (= societies) that favor men.

Patriarchy, or a system that privileges men, is like food for our brains and hearts and social experiences: We ingest it in our homes, in public space, in school, in pop culture, in relationships, through the media. We digest it, and it becomes the building blocks of our thoughts, our behaviors, our beliefs about what is right and wrong.
It also structures sex.
​But here’s the thing: blaming the orgasm gap on “the patriarchy” is relieving yourself of any agency whatsoever over your sex life. For example, consider this:
We fuck until you come, I do not come, you do not ask if I would like to come or if you can help make me come, and then we’re done fucking, because you have decided we are done fucking, and everyone is supposedly happy.
Or this:
Here, supposedly, is what you consider sex: We make out, you play with my boobs, I blow you, you do not go down on me even though I ask [*insert some bullshit on how “I only go down on women I’m in love with. Now put it in your mouth.”]. Penis goes in vagina, penis moves in and out of vagina, penis causes air to enter vagina and makes a lot of funny farting sounds, someone actually farts and pretends it is a funny vagina farting sound but it was totally a real fart, penis ejaculates.
In both of these statements, the author exercises zero agency. She take zero accountability for what happens during a consensual sexual encounter. Instead, she gives this horrible example of asking the guy for oral sex. He says no. Then she gives him oral sex, anyway.

That’s not the patriarchy. That’s you choosing to have sex with assholes. You know what you could have done instead of sucking his dick and having bad sex with him? Set some boundaries. Set some standards and expectations. For example, you could have told him:

  1. “Oh, okay. I respect that – but, see, I have this thing where I only go down on guys who go down on me.”
  2. “Okay. It sounds like we might be rushing into things, physically. Maybe we should slow down and wait until we are both ready."
  3. “What a funny coincidence! I only go down on guys I’m in love with, too!” 

Like, the patriarchy didn’t say, “You must give men unreciprocated blow jobs.” You willingly gave that blowjob, knowing you wouldn’t get one in return. (Blowjob is totally gender-neutral, right?) That was a decision you made. Put the blame where it belongs.
 
I’ve previously written to men that they need to take accountability for their decisions. Taking accountability is what marks the difference between boys and men; girls and women; children and adults.
 
And, given the deeply intimate nature of sex, I would say that sexy-time is probably one of the most important times for you to have and exercise agency.
 
Now, sexual agency doesn’t just mean saying no to things you don’t want. It means telling your partner what you do want. It means setting expectations, boundaries, and, yes, standards, for yourself and your partner.
 
As I wrote in The Stanford Kink Klub Has The Healthiest Sex on Campus – Here’s Why, 
There's a pretty wide range of desires in the community... and if you don't establish consent ahead of time, there's a decent chance someone's going to be hurt, violated, or worse. 

AND, if you've got some obscure kink, and you don't tell your partner about it... they aren't going to read your mind and magically know how to get you off. You have to tell them, or you will never get what you want. Read more > 
But I digress.
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The point is: agency. There’s so much research about how important and empowering it is to have agency in our lives. For example, people are happier when they make less money but have more autonomy and agency at work, than when they make more money but have less control. 

Elderly people who live in nursing homes that allow them to make their own decisions about when to eat dinner or watch a movie are happier, healthier, more pro-social... and actually live longer than elderly residents whose decisions are made for them. (To learn more about this, I highly reading anything by Harvard psychologist Ellen Langer -- especially Counter Clockwise: Mindful Health and the Power of Possibility.)
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And, finally – people who tell their partner what they want/expect sexually are more likely to get what they want/expect sexually.
 
So this is the part where you’re going to say, “Yeah, but because of the patriarchy, men don’t care about my pleasure. That’s the problem.”
 
To which I say… who are these guys?
 
Without going into detail about something that is personal to me, I will say that every guy I have ever dated was very eager to please me. Long before I was ready or interested in doing anything to please him. Like, I dated a wonderful guy once. One of the first times we made out, he told me,
 
“I love kissing you, and when you’re ready, I really want to give you an orgasm.”
 
Similarly, once I was cuddling with a guy I had only ever cuddled with. We’d been just cuddling for… I dunno. Hours? Cuddling, talking, laughing. It was extremely intimate. And then the guy got all serious. I was like, “What’s up?”
 
And he was like, “I…. I….”
 
“Yes?”

"I..."

"Just say it!"
 
“I really want to go down on you.”
 
I told him no, definitely not. Not now, maybe not ever. He responded not by trying to put my hand on his dick or convince me to change my mind... but by pulling me closer and just holding me there. 

The point is… These guys really cared about pleasing me.

Moreover, many of my guy friends have confided, “I love giving girls orgasms.” For them, being a good partner – giving the girl as many orgasms as possible – makes them feel sexy. Pleasing the woman turns them on. And, obviously, this can be “problematic” – done incorrectly, it can make women feel pressured to “perform” their pleasure for the man’s enjoyment, which is the opposite of the point and can actually interfere with her ability to orgasm.
 
But anyway, we don’t have to focus on my anecdotal experiences. Let’s look at some numbers. If men didn’t care about female pleasure because of the patriarchy, why would She Comes First: The Thinking Man's Guide to Pleasuring a Woman, by Ian Kerner, have sold over 250,000 copies? Not to mention the success of Open Her: Activate 7 Masculine Powers to Arouse Your Woman's Love & Desire, by Karen Brody, and even Make Her SCREAM: Last Longer, Come Harder, And Be The Best She's Ever Had, by Amber Cole.
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(While we’re at it: if there are no biological or psychological differences in our ability to orgasm, as Feministing and Everyday Feminism love to claim,  then why do books like Come as you Are: The Surprising New Science That Will Transform Your Sex Life -- which, by the way, was written by DOCTOR Emily Nagoski, the director of wellness education at Smith College, not some random feminists on the internet -- or companies like OMGYES, which offer women tutorials on how to achieve their own orgasms, exist?)
 
Also, if men didn’t care about the female orgasm… then why do pornos features women screaming in “ecstasy” pretty much continuously? You can even buy Female Orgasm Sound Effects on Amazon! (Side note: as a psychologist, I don’t think porn is good, and I recommend that people avoid it – ethically, it’s coercive, and socially, it has negative sexual and emotional consequences. But that is a story for another day.)
 
Clearly, lots of guys do care about female pleasure -- the patriarchy be damned! ​

So maybe part of exerting control and agency over you sex life… is picking better partners. If a guy doesn’t care about your pleasure, he is an asshole. If an orgasm is all you’re after, there are much faster, simpler ways to do it. Get a vibrator. Get a sex machine!
 
But if intimacy, human connection and orgasm are what you’re looking for... don’t hook up with assholes. If the guy "ejaculates and goes straight to sleep," you won't get any of those things. Hook up with someone who thinks about someone other than himself. Maybe get a boyfriend (or girlfriend).
 
This leads me to my next point:
 
If you’re going to blame someone for the orgasm gap, and it’s not yourself/your own lack of agency… blame it on hookup culture.
 
Certain feminists love talking about how sex is so empowering to them. Lots of women participate in hookups these days, so they must enjoy it, right?
 
Well, no. Wrong. Some of them do. A lot don't. A 2008 report on 152 female undergraduate students found that 74% of women had either a few or some regrets from uncommitted sex: 61% had a few regrets, 23% had no regrets, 13% had some regrets, and 3% had many regrets (Eshbaugh & Gute, 2008). Only 23% of women who participate in hookup culture have no regrets.

“The notion of sexual liberation, where men and women both had equal access to casual sex, assumed a comparable likelihood of that sex being pleasurable,” Kim Wallen, a professor of neuroendocrinology at Emory University recently told the New York Times. “But that part of the playing field isn’t level.”

Another study of 24,000 students over five years found that only 40% of women had an orgasm during their last hookup involving intercourse, while 75% of women had an orgasm the last time they had sex in a committed relationship.

Then there's the fact that “no strings attached” (NSA) sex is, biologically, somewhat of a myth. According to research by Justin Garcia, Director of Education & Research Training at the Kinsey Institute, at least 50% of women and 52% of men who participate in hookup culture would like to stimulate a longer-term relationship. Perhaps they participate in hookups hoping to trigger a deeper interest in their partner.

And the strategy wasn’t completely unsuccessful. Almost 1/3 of the casual hookups in his study turned into more stable relationships.
 
Makes sense, right? With orgasm – or even just cuddling! – you get a flood of oxytocin, the bonding hormone.  Moreover, any kind of sexual stimulation drives dopamine release in the brain, which makes it hard to keep it casual.
 
Why? Evolution has left us with three distinct systems governing romantic attachment:

  1. Lust (the system that drives us to desire a partner – characterized by sex hormones like testosterone)
  2. Love/romance (the system that drives us to focus on one partner – characterized by pleasure, reward and even addiction hormones like dopamine)
  3. Attachment (the system that keeps us together so we can have babies –characterized by opiates and oxytocin)
 
Although the systems are separate (you can love one person but lust after another), the mixing of these different hormones can definitely cause confusion. 
 
But, speaking of these hormones – the fact that love and attachment are associated with so many positive feelings and hormones… wouldn’t it makes sense for people to want to be in relationships, instead of casual hookups?
 
Also worth noting: in many committed relationships, there is an inverse orgasm gap: some women are capable of having two, or three, or more orgasms per the male’s one orgasm.
 
After all, research shows that men and women in committed relationships have better (and, often, more) sex. As explained above, this is especially true for women. Like it or not, it is generally harder for women to have orgasms than men. (One of the rules of scientific thinking that radical feminists don't seem to get: you can't reject ideas just because you don’t like them or don’t want them to be be true.) There’s a good reason for this, evolutionarily.
 
For men, it makes sense to just orgasm all the time, whenever possible. The male orgasm is necessary for reproduction. Men evolved to have orgasms easily. Men who didn’t orgasm easily (or at all) didn’t have as many babies.
 
For females, though, orgasm is not necessary for reproduction. Therefore, there was little selective pressure for the female orgasm, which is purely for fun. In fact, anthropologist Elisabeth Lloyd argues in The Case of the Female Orgasm: Bias in the Science of Evolution, that the female orgasm, like the male nipple, is vestigial. 

Additionally, because reproduction is such a costly investment for women, women evolved to be more selective regarding mating and sexual pleasure.  (This is reflected by the fact that women are much less likely to find men attractive than vice versa – in fact, according to OKCupid data, women find most men unattractive.)
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Because of this, there is absolutely a large psychological component to the female orgasm. What committed couples build in comfort, intimacy, caring and trust, random hookups fake with alcohol. A very sad story from Kate Taylor’s New York Times article, “Sex On Campus: She Can Play That Game, Too,” was this:
Many women in Taylor’s study admitted to using alcohol to feel comfortable  engaging in casual hookups. One woman even admitted that she often gave guys oral sex and walked away with nothing because “by the time she got back to a guy’s room she was starting to sober up and didn’t want to be there anymore.”

Is this an example of the patriarchy? No, not so much. This is an example of a woman who was afraid to exercise sexual agency and say, “You know, actually, I changed my mind. Let’s go back to the party.” 
 
Instead of exercising agency over her own sexuality, she sucked dudes’ dicks to "get out of" having sex with them. This is the opposite of “liberating.” This is the opposite of “empowering.” This is a very clear example of a girl letting herself be used by men for sexual pleasure for no good reason.
 
Unless the blowjobs are somehow coercive, this is not the patriarchy’s fault. This is the girl’s fault. And blaming it on anyone but herself is why some people have the wrong idea about feminism.
 
Again, I digress.
 
The point is, in spite of what certain feminists might claim that casual sex is all liberating and stuff, research shows that hookup culture is bad for most women.

But. Blaming hookup culture is also excusing yourself from taking accountability. Because hookup culture is something you choose to participate in. 
 
The patriarchy isn’t forcing women to participate in hookup culture. Mindless compliance with perceived social norms is a much more likely culprit. Exercise agency! Think about what you really want. Set boundaries. Set standards for yourself (e.g., I’m not going to give blowjobs to get out of sex anymore; instead, I’ll just tell the guy I changed my mind or I only want to cuddle. It’s not rude for me to change my mind – it’s rude for him to be anything but understanding and supportive about it).

And, if you're tired of lame, male-centric sex, set clear standards and expectations for the guy! Before hooking up with your Tinder date, let him know,  “I come first.”
 
Or, “I only have sex after X dates.”

Or, "Let's do this quid pro quo. If you want me to do something to you, you have to do it to me, first."
 
Or even, “FYI, I don’t really enjoy sex without, like, thirty minutes of foreplay. I'm bringing a timer -- so I hope you like lots of foreplay.”
 
That way, the guy knows what you expect from the hookup before you even arrive. If he’s totally not into the female orgasm, he can let you know, “Hey, actually, something just came up.” And you will have dodged a bullet. 

(It's funny, too, how it's not hard to imagine a guy bailing if he decided he didn't want to hook up with a girl... But so many girls in the aforementioned studies have such a hard time bailing that they will engage in unwanted sexual activity because they think that's a better alternative than just saying, "I changed my mind," or, "Something came up."

If you feel like men have all the power in the sexual relationships, then you are doing it wrong. You, not the patriarchy, and not hookup culture, are the problem. Feminism is about empowering women. Obviously, there is systematic and institutionalized sexism in our everyday lives. But, at least in our sexual lives, we are already in a position where we can take control.
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28 Comments
Kimberly Vishie
2/4/2016 08:12:08 pm

Thank You very much for this article. After reading this all I could think was FINALLY someone understands too. I've always had this conversation with my sister and I also agree with you on the fact hookup culture is widely practiced these days is because women participate in it also. I find it funny when I hear 'feminists' complain about women being objectified or are just mere tools of sexual pleasure for men when they don't realize that 'Hey this could all stop if we learn to be more firm with what we don't wanna do and what we wanna do'. I mean if they were so open and 'willing' to engage in hookups why complain about being used? I just hope people try to understand that relationships are a two way street built on a foundation of trust and respect and love between the two parties. Again, thank you for your post :).

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Eva Glasrud link
2/20/2016 03:57:06 pm

Amen! Trust, respect and communication. Don't expect the guy to read your mind, and then get upset when he fails!

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Clarbg
1/19/2022 09:35:13 pm

The guys know exactly what they're doing. Women shouldn't have to tell men to care about our pleasure. Begging like a dog is the opposite of female empowerment.

Eva Glasrud link
1/20/2022 07:18:36 am

I don't think we can communicate effectively until we acknowledge that you've got a bizarre, unhealthy hangup with communication.

I think you should work on this.

You will never live a happy and fulfilling life if you expect people to read your mind, because using your big girl words is "demeaning" and "begging like a dog."

I don't know what happened to you to make you think this way, but I think it is something you should definitely work on. Because there is nothing demeaning about using your big girl words, but there is something idiotic about expecting people to read your mind.

Justin
8/1/2016 12:19:04 pm

Interestingly a research paper was published today in the Journal of Experimental Zoology looking at exactly the theory you put forward here. That is that the female orgasm is an evolutionary hold over and hence why many women have trouble achieving it (nothing to do with the patriarchy). I thought you might find it interesting. Here is the press release summary in Science http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/08/new-theory-suggests-female-orgasms-are-evolutionary-leftover?utm_source=sciencemagazine&utm_medium=facebook-text&utm_campaign=orgasm-6168

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Stephen Lawrence
8/31/2016 03:25:59 pm

"Male orgasm is essential for reproduction" - I like this!
As to "Why are you hooking up with assholes?" - one thing you mention once is "arousal" - maybe the issue is "How do I get aroused?" Suppose a woman has identified males that do arouse her - and they are mostly assholes. Maybe if she learned to arouse herself, or to encourage the male to participate in a mutual dance of arousal with a male who is not an asshole, that might be a step forward? I am just thinking of a cultural story that "arousal happens like magic from an outside source, and anything else isn't the genuine thing." (Now that is certainly a patriarchal meme, promulgated by male film directors and female chick-lit writers alike".

Please do shoot me down on this one. It's important, because if only assholes are able to do the arousing, then there going to be a lot of children born with these characteristics.

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Eva Glasrud link
4/25/2017 01:21:19 pm

Interesting -- I actually agree with you. If she doesn't know what she likes, it's going to be hard for her to orgasm with a partner. Peggy Orenstein touches on this in her new book, Girls and Sex. Basically, her interviews suggest that today's young women don't know the difference between "sexy" and "sexuality," which explains a lot.

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Clarbf
1/19/2022 09:37:06 pm

It's not just assholes who are bad at sex. Most men are bad at sex, because they think penis is enough to make a woman orgasm.

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Eva Glasrud link
1/20/2022 07:20:56 am

I think maybe you've just been having sex with the wrong people. Nothing you've said in any of these comments resonates with my experiences. I won't go into details, except to say that my pleasure is usually THE ONLY thing the man I'm dating cares about.

c
6/23/2017 07:41:06 am

Its hard to read the quote block text -- please make it larger!! C

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Eva Glasrud link
7/6/2017 12:46:33 pm

Ugh -- you're so right. It looks awful. Weebly updated the template I'm using, and not everything looks like I'd originally wanted it to.

Another thing that Weebly does that's kind of lame is makes it really difficult to edit older posts. Like, you'd think from this page, I could just make any edits I want... but instead, I have to go to the web editor and scroll, click, scroll, click, scroll, click... for several minutes before I get to this post.

There's no quick and easy way to make small edits... but I'm sure I'll get around to it someday!

Thanks for the feedback :)

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Tired of Internalized Oppression
9/2/2017 08:10:12 am

I'm so sick and tired of people like you writing about things that you dont understand! And I really dont have time to educate you because google exists! Its a shame that women are so brainwashed and dont even understand how patriarchy impacts their lives in every area! Its as pervasive as racism! Patriarchy IS responsible for the orgasm gap! We know this because the info about biology is available! Why arent we teaching biological difference so that people will know how to work through the differences to get to female orgasm? The answer is...SOCIETY doesnt give a shit about female orgasm or pleasure! We have a billion dollar porn industry, "sex work", people fucking like rabbits, yet we still dont understand the female body. Our society still refuses to address female orgasm. Shit, you still have people in the medical field who thinks clitoral orgasm are inferior, the gspot doesnt exist, and that squirting orgasms is piss!

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Eva Glasrud link
9/5/2017 12:52:31 pm

CLASSIC! A so-called "feminist" writing off another woman's fact-based opinion because of "internalized oppression."

No, dear. I don't think these things because of "the patriarchy." I haven't been "brainwashed." I just paid attention in school and learned how to understand science.

The male orgasm IS simple and necessary for the survival of our species. The female orgasm IS complicated, and, from an evolutionary perspective, not essential at all. Just because you don't like certain facts, doesn't mean they're not true.

There are plenty of online and other resources for men and women alike to learn about the female orgasm. Are you suggesting we teach clitoral stimulation in school, as a part of sex ed? I've heard reasonable-ish arguments made in favor of that, but I'm pretty ambivalent on the issue. That's not exactly the point of sex ed -- though it is definitely weird that boys learn about erections and ejaculation, while girls learn about periods and unwanted pregnancies.

I agree that our culture is gross and pornified and raunchy. I think hookup culture is gross, and I'm glad I'm not a part of it.

But, see. The reason I'm not a part of it is because I think it's gross, and I don't participate in it. Because I'm a big girl and I make my own choices. Unlike the people at, say, Feministing, who think women are passive, silent, passive recipients of male desire, I think women are adults who are capable of picking sex partners who care about their pleasure. If you're okay with sucking some dude's dick and letting him jizz all over your face and then just going to sleep without giving you any pleasure... that's a personal problem. You either picked a bad dude, or you didn't make your expectations clear.

I've never heard anyone say clitoral orgasms are inferior - I thought it was pretty common knowledge that that isn't true. But I've read valid criticisms of the idea of a "gspot," and the scientific literature does support that squirting is (basically) piss. I mean... where do you think it comes from?

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Clarbg
1/19/2022 09:23:07 pm

Do you seriously believe that our society ISN'T penis focused and PIV focused? Of course clitoral orgasms are seen as inferior.

Eva Glasrud link
1/20/2022 07:22:47 am

I really don't know where you're getting this shit. Bad personal experiences? Strange local culture?

No man I've EVER talked to sees clitoral orgasms as inferior. They LOVE the clitoris, because it's such a wonderful and guaranteed way to give pleasure.

Eric L
5/19/2018 03:55:50 pm

"To which I say… who are these guys?"

Have you considered that these women live in a completely different sexual culture from you? Norms around dating/sex are very different in environments where men outnumber women vs where women outnumber men. The rise of the hookup culture is mostly just due to more and more colleges being predominantly female. Likewise there are gender differences in what cities people are moving to, with a lot of influential writers living in disproportionately female New York and Washington DC, but you are from the bay area, which is disproportionately male.

I just read Leah Fessler's senior thesis on hookup culture: https://qz.com/685852/hookup-culture/ ... and it is a treasure trove of anecdotes of women who need to read your writing on sexual agency. But also, it's the experience of women at a small college where the men take for granted that there will always be hundreds more single women. Where men seem to lose interest very quickly and women find it difficult to find or keep a boyfriend.

I've never lived in such an environment, so maybe I overestimate how different those environments are, but I suspect it partly explains why a lot of writing on this topic makes so little sense to me. We're not actually all living in the same culture.

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Eva Glasrud link
5/21/2018 12:31:37 pm

Fair enough -- I've never lived in such an environment, either. In fact, I've mostly lived in the opposite environment.

That said, it's hard for me to imagine wanting to share any kind of physical touch with someone who treated me badly or didn't seem to care about me and only me. That could be a personal difference, or it could be a generational one. As I wrote in a recent original song, "Eroticism is Dead," some people expect intimacy to be like fireworks, lightning, and fireflies, all at once... and others expect it to be like the screensaver on a Mac (something vaguely interesting that happens automatically after a set amount of time).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaT6TTkKLZw&feature=youtu.be

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Clarbg
1/19/2022 09:07:25 pm

No, the problem isn't women choosing assholes, the problem is that there are far too many assholes out there that don't respect their female partners enough to care about their pleasure. That's what the patriarchy created. The patriarchy prioritirises male pleasure over female pleasure and teaches men and women that only PIV is real sex and that the clitoris doesn't matter. We should be concerned that far too many men out there consider oral sex as just "foreplay" and not part of the main course.

Here's the thing - why should women demand men focus more on our pleasure? Why should we beg like dogs? Do you realise how demeaning and embarrassing it is for a woman to ask her partner to focus on her pleasure more? Men should already WANT to please women. For example, why would you want to have a guy go down on you who's only doing it because he feels it's his duty? I can't think of anything more unromantic and unsexy than guilt tripping someone into making you orgasm. Is this what sex is supposed to be like for a strong, independent woman? Absolutely laughable. This is horrible advice. Yes, don't continue to have sex with a guy that isn't satisfying you. Everyone can agree on that. But the responsibility is on men to make sure women are sexually satisfied.

So again, the problem is that men don't care about women's pleasure enough, because if they did, they would be way more enthusiastic about doing things that are more female pleasure focused, like going down. This is about men not respecting women. This is patriarchy.

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Eva Glasrud link
1/20/2022 07:40:43 am

> "the problem is that there are far too many assholes out there that don't respect their female partners enough to care about their pleasure. That's what the patriarchy created. The patriarchy prioritirises male pleasure over female pleasure and teaches men and women that only PIV is real sex and that the clitoris doesn't matter. "

We clearly are coming from two very different social contexts, because every man I know LOVES giving women orgasms. But I can accept that there are a lot of cultures in which female pleasure is not valued the way it is in my social circles.

> "We should be concerned that far too many men out there consider oral sex as just "foreplay" and not part of the main course."

Oral sex IS foreplay in most sexual situations. Most people WANT to end up having sex, but they ALSO Want to do some oral stuff.

If all you want to do right now is oral, then you use your big boy words or big girl words to say, "I just want to do X today," or, "I want you to do X to me," or, "I'm going to do Y to you."

Making X or Y the main course.

But yeah... most straight people enjoy and want to have sex, so it is considered the main course.

I have no idea what gay people do.

> "why should women demand men focus more on our pleasure?"

I have never had to. However, I've also never dated some clueless hack who doesn't care about or understand female pleasure. If you choose to be in a relationship with such a man, you have two choices: get used to not having orgasms, or tell the guy what you want.

But don't be a passive aggressive little child and expect him to read your mind.

> "Why should we beg like dogs? Do you realise how demeaning and embarrassing it is for a woman to ask her partner to focus on her pleasure more?"

This is very much a personal hangup that I think you need to work through.

If you're not ready to talk about sex, I'm not sure you're ready to be having it. If you can't talk about it, you shouldn't do it.

> "Men should already WANT to please women. For example, why would you want to have a guy go down on you who's only doing it because he feels it's his duty? "

You're contradicting yourself. If he's going down on you even though he personally does not enjoy it, then he's going down on you because he wants to please you. Don't demand that men should want to please women, then get mad when men want to please women.

> "Men should already WANT to please women. For example, why would you want to have a guy go down on you who's only doing it because he feels it's his duty? "

Once again, I think we're coming from very different cultures, here. Most men I know LOVE giving women oral -- they love the vantage point, and they love seeing her pleasure. They even love the taste and smell. It seems like you come from some kind of weird conservative culture in which it's emasculating to do this or something.

> "I can't think of anything more unromantic and unsexy than guilt tripping someone into making you orgasm."

Guilt tripping has no place in sex. Are you familiar with the concept of enthusiastic consent? If you're guilting and manipulating people into doing things to you sexually, you are not just "unromantic" or "unsexy." You're a rapey asshole, regardless of your gender.

> " Is this what sex is supposed to be like for a strong, independent woman?"

Is that what it's like for you?

> "But the responsibility is on men to make sure women are sexually satisfied."

Yet you think it's demeaning to use your big girl words to tell him what you like. Putting an awful lot of pressure on the guy to be a mind reader, here.

> "So again, the problem is that men don't care about women's pleasure enough, because if they did, they would be way more enthusiastic about doing things that are more female pleasure focused, like going down."

Once again... you're describing a thing that the women I know have not really experienced. Maybe it's an Australia vs. US thing. Maybe it's related to local politics or some other cultural difference. But almost every man I know loves giving women orgasms, and is not afraid to say so, so I really don't know...

I mean, it makes sense in hookup culture, of course. In hookup culture, it's really not about intimacy. It's really not embracing another person's full humanity and focusing on their pleasure. It's about having an orgasm to get you through the week, and then never talking to the person again. So of course they're not focused on some random chick's pleasure. Is THAT patriarchy? Maybe. But I think it's more like young people who have been brainwashed by porn to think that sex looks and sounds a certain way, and they're trying to achieve that look and sound instead of achieving a deep, human connection.

In relationships, it makes sense that, despite how hard the guy tries, there might just always be an orgasm gap. The male orgasm is essential for human survival. The female orgasm is just for fun. Many of us just biologi

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Clarbg
1/19/2022 09:20:10 pm

Also, the orgasm gap doesn't just exist in hookup culture, it exists in straight relationships too. 60% of heterosexual women orgasm compared to 90+% of lesbians. If this were about biological differences, why is it that lesbians don't have the same problem? The answer is lesbian sex isn't PIV focused and is more focused on clitoral stimulation. Oral sex is the main type of sex in lesbian relationships. If that were the case in straight relationships too, women would be having no problems orgasming.

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Eva Glasrud link
1/20/2022 07:46:23 am

Correlation is not causation, though. You know that!

If men are going around dating women like you, who think that telling a man what you want is "begging like a dog" and "demeaning," you really can't fault them for not knowing how to make you orgasm.

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12/19/2022 07:35:47 am


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